Wednesday, January 04, 2006

Interesting Conversation with Wolong.

Had an interesting conversation with wolong yesterday at trasy's blog (It started rather innocently though lol), hence I am posting it here so as to share it with all of you.

Be warn, it is quite lengthy :P.

By the way wolong if u are reading this, I have a small request to make. Is it possible that u can try to write with more punctuation marks in the future? Sometimes, it is really very hard to read your posts leh... lol. :D

Oh, Another thing wolong, I always go for suppers. ;P

January 03, 2006 6:20 PM, At82 (Me):

Latest news!

PM Lee has ordered the Registration Officer to revise the registers of electors and complete the work on or before February 28 this year.

Elections is really coming. Probably after the 2006 budget is revealed. But it is of high possiblity that I won't be able to vote this time round. Sianz...

January 03, 2006 8:18 PM, Wolong:

welllll u being unable to vote is nt PAP fault (once agin sound like pap men horrr lol so be it!!!) if e opp cant attract ppl then wad? remember pap was in opp 2 y r they able to contest all 51 wards n win? out of 51 they got 43 seats solid lehhh lol wellll i dun deny they got 54.3% (if i dun remember wrongly) of the valid votes cast cos political competition was v stiff then (lol sound like historian) stop complaining things like high election deposits change of boundaries defamation suits if u r gd ppl will vote u in (c mr chiam 22 yrs in parl wad hv u got 2 say of cos sad 2 say nt many chiam c tongs ard my due respect to the longest serving opp MP) wahhh i credit him so much then tht side how lol cant be bothered i speak my mind top party leadership noe i was nvr a yes man til death i will nt lol e w barker toh chin chye tan cheng bock charles tan tan soo khoon loh meng all r nt yes men in fact @ times more critical than opp lol. remember tan soo khoon if he was in opp he will be sued 4 saying lhl misleading the public over bus fare hike (so pap is nvr a plc 4 yes men n nvr will it be unlike some parties nvr say who ar dun be so sensitive ar lol byeeee

January 03, 2006 8:27 PM, At82 (Me):

To wolong:

ehhh no la, I am not blaming anyone leh. I am unable to vote due to personal reasons.

And relac dude, nothing wrong wif supporting PAP just like there is nothing wrong with supporting the oppo. Everyone can support who they want, who is to say that is wrong? ;)

January 03, 2006 8:34 PM, Wolong:

wah seh at82 u online 2 lol y cant u vote? wad reason? care 2 share?

January 03, 2006 8:49 PM, Wolong:

wellllll throughout history there r ppl on each other sides zhugeliang on liubei side zhouyu on sunquan side sad 2 say born in tht era either u hv to choose 1 or remain neutral ( no denial i more of a pap man lol based on my postings i nvr attempt 2 convert my critics they r die hard opp supporters sad 2 say on the wrong side though lol but 2 my opp out there " we will meet in a closed alley onli 1 will emerge alive n chances r lol" sound like who? go n check it out lol btw where my opp? all hiding somewhere? lol i issue them a challenge call me a pap dog in public y hvnt i heard of them? no balls ar? or scare of my lawyers letters? lol ppl dare 2 defame but nt prepared 2 be x examine by my legal counsel in the witness box wad u call tht? cowards? lol

January 03, 2006 8:49 PM, At82 (Me):

To wolong:

so qiao! I will not be in Singapore for some time after Feb la.

Since PM Lee already set 28 Feb as the deadline, the elections should be in after Feb. So I probably cannot vote loh...

January 03, 2006 8:54 PM, Wolong:

at82 where u stay? which ward? mind 2 reveal? Thks

January 03, 2006 8:56 PM, Wolong:

btw who wld u vote sia? lol nvr mind if u nt saying afterall voting is secret

January 03, 2006 9:12 PM, At82 (Me):

To Wolong:

Errr... Sorry, I have to disagree with the notion of a death match in the back alley.

I would like to believe that, we Singaporeans, have reached a stage whereby our political differences can be settled by rational debates and democratic elections in an open manner without resorting to any violence. I also disagree with calling ppl "PAP dogs" or "oppo dogs" etc...

The beauty of the democratic system is that everyone has the right to support any political party they wished to, whatever their reason are. The leaders will be chosen thru open and fair elections. In this way the will of the majority will always be upheld.

January 03, 2006 9:24 PM, At82 (Me):

I currently live in ALJUNIED GRC. But given the propensity of changes in boundary, I dunno which GRC will be belong to in the next GE bcos I live on the edge of the GRC.

As for who I will vote... Lets just say although I am amused by the antics of SDP, it is not the best party I have in my mind... I will leave the rest to your imagination. ;)

January 03, 2006 9:43 PM, Wolong:

i nt resorting 2 violence u got me all wrong i'm simply quoting eg jun zi dong kou bu dong shou lol (my chn nt bad ar lol) wad i m saying theres onli 1 victor n i made sure u end up as r loser lol (all my opp out there beware i nt afraid of u neither i wan u 2 be afraid of me jus tell me which ward u will be going i shall meet u there lol of cos c me in white n white no doubt abt tht) wellllll u think u can toke 2 opp in a rational way 4get it as i said b4 e moment u sound like a pap man thts it? they will start calling u names 4get abt hving a rational discussion wellll george yeo wld welcome e WP send ur "A" team there we r nt afraid of u btw fill ur forms properly lol wld tht indian guy who dun put pedestrain interest as top pirority be fielded? we shall c eh once again dun be sensitive ar who is he? u noe i noe lol

January 03, 2006 9:47 PM, Wolong:

wahhhhhh u live on the edge u know 2 wahhhhhh sehhhhhh damn politically consious gd 2 hv u some ppl dun even noe which ward they live in nt 2 mention who their MP is sad 2 say (wellllll opp sure say cos pap depoliticised a whole generation lol y r u ppl nt ? c how opp ans when they cant outtalk say ppl childish when they cant win say this say tht but nvr look @ their own weaknesses always blaming others this their attitude lol)

January 03, 2006 10:47 PM, At82 (Me):

To wolong:

If i am not politically consicious, I won't be surfing this site right ;).

Anyway, if the oppo are really as bad as u say, then there is not need for PAP to worry at all. They will just self-destruct when they present their platform during the GE.

However I suspect that oppos of some quality are emerging. Perhaps they might not be of the minister caliber, but they probably are good enough to be MPs. This is when the PAP have to be careful. Nevertheless, I hope to see that a more levelled playing field this time round.

Mr wolong, i think even u cannot deny that for past few elections, the oppos were not given a fair amount time to present their platforms during the campiagning periods.(the sensiblity of their platform is another matter)

January 03, 2006 11:03 PM, Wolong:

ehhhhh i did say u politically consious leh when did i nt read properly leh when i say opp bad u nvr read i always praise mr chaim n steve chia 2 (u must be selective who u wan i think even u agree tht chee is out rite) as i said pap was in opp 2 were there no obstacles in their path? if u compare theirs with e opp 2day its a far cry man lol

January 03, 2006 11:20 PM, Wolong:

wellllll name me any gd opp guy n i will tell u y they r no gd (well of cos some i shall nt comment lol u noe i noe) jbj gd? chee gd? ppl who support them gd? dun tel me jbj dunno defamation law? lol legally trained in london even lky has 2 appear b4 him. some opp will take every opportunity tht present itself 2 whack pap draw similarities here n there luckily we still hv ppl like u n Thrasymachus who toke reason if nt i shall nt bothered coming here @ all u shld noe by nw i was nvr afraid of the pap openly crediting certain opp figures here (no denial i held mr chiam in HIGHEST respect u think i scare if sitoh read this i dun giv a damn !!! lol )

January 03, 2006 11:43 PM, Wolong:

u think tht lady lawyer from WP who help jbj finacially gd? does jbj deserve help? maybe once or twice yes forever lol tht indian guy caught 4 drunk driving gd? any political aspirant pls be responsible those formerly from tc gd? whole day long press freedom speech freedom u wan speech freedom if 2day i say a chn force a pc of pork down a malay mouth n the journalist without verifying anyhow write u noe wad e consequences? u noe i noe remember racial riots 64/69 u ppl 2 young la brought up in an era of peace n prosperity dunno anything dun blame u u wan chn go around hacking malays n retaliation no rite? toke is great but in reality can u do it? i think u ppl being highly educated noe the ans thks gd nite going 4 supper wana join me no la youngster v health consious lol byeeeeeee

January 03, 2006 10:47 PM, At82 (Me):

To wolong:

No, pls dun be mistaken. I think u are reading to much into what I am saying.

I din say that u condemn all oppos, I am just refering to your previous statements, which u said that u can't talk to the oppos in a rational way and that they always blame others without looking at their own weakness.

I said that if oppos are as bad u said then PAP can relac, bcos no 1 will support the them and they will self-destruct bcos their platform cannot stand the scrutiny of the public. Gd eg is SDP, there is an even a debate over the internet on the policies that he advocate and most are not convince.

However, wat troubles me is that the oppos are not given a reasonable amount of time to tell us their platforms.

U might think that wat is the point if the oppos' platforms are of poor quality anyway? My ans is that, yes, they might be of poor quality today but it may not be so in the future.

Anyway if PAP is the best, there is nothing for them to worry abt anyway, real gold not scare of fire rite? So why the rush (only 9 days for campiagning)? Why only declare the new boundary so near to GEs?

I dun think these actions are healthy for Singapore.

As for freedom of speech, I dun think free speech shd be equate with irresponsible speech. For eg in Germany, speeches that deny holocaust are illegal. But most ppl won't say that there is no freedom of speech in Germany. I also support the punishing of the 2 bloggers who posted racist remarks on the net.

Although it might sound a tad too idealistic, I would like to believe that we can have freedom of speech without it degenerating into irresponsible speech.

u can read more abt debate here:

Have a nice day!

Added on Jan 5th:

January 04, 2006 9:21 PM, Wolong:

thts y i say glad 2 hv ppl like u n Thrasymachus v gd n reasonable we may nt agree on everyting but @ least we can discuss unlike ............


At 4:34 PM, January 04, 2006, Blogger The Legal Janitor said...

wah, so flattered you linked to my post. =D

At 5:05 PM, January 04, 2006, Blogger at82 said...

To Shianux:

Haha. Well that debate is well remembered by me. I think alot of us spend alot of time and effort into backing our argument.

I personally thinks that should politics should be conducted, thru rational debates ;).

By the way u know where had sparkle gone to? His blog is gone.

At 1:51 AM, January 05, 2006, Blogger Thrasymachus said...

Hi At82

Just taking a breather from my own blog. Haha...

Take care!


At 3:25 AM, January 05, 2006, Blogger at82 said...

Hi trasy,

Hee, U are always welcomed here!

Anyway Wolong very fierce lol...

At 3:07 PM, January 25, 2006, Anonymous wolong said...

lol nvr knew my conversation with boi boi could br so interesting lol fierce? u hv 2 la depends on who ur opponent r? lol mr chiam is a gentleman so pap treated him differently from the rest. lky fierce or not? u ppl shld hv been born earlier c him in action in the 60s in his own words "may nt be as active as before but enough 2 fight the next election"

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